Jim Bathurst: Coaching, self-awareness, and getting started (transcript)

Highlight [0:00]

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Jim (00:00:04):
(Highlight) People just get caught in the same habit loops over and over again. We were in the same situation a month ago, a year ago, whatever it might be. And you did this, this and this well now, same, same situation. And you did a little bit better than before this. This is progress. And they Don even realize that, you know, like as a coach, you’re, you’re watching all these steps, you’re watching all this progress and they don’t even realize it. So it’s absolutely important because if you are just waiting months, years, whatever, to hit a PR and then, Hey, that’s the only time I celebrate. That’s not sustainable either. You know, , that’s a really terrible way to go. It’s just like, oh man, I, I, I don’t celebrate for years at a time, you have to celebrate all those little steps along the way. (/highlight)


Intro [0:41]

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Craig (00:00:43):
(Chapter) Hello, I’m Craig Constantine. Welcome to the movers mindset podcast, where I talk with movement enthusiast to learn who they are, what they do and why they do it. This episode is with Jim Bathhurst, coaching self-awareness and getting started. When Jim Bathhurst first began his fitness blog in college, he never imagined it would lead to a successful career as a personal trainer and coach. He shares his journey from athlete to coach and how he approaches helping people. Jim discusses setting and achieving goals, recharging his energy and music. He reflects on changes with beast skills and nerds, fitness and recent challenges he’s faced. Jim Bathhurst is an Acrobat weightlifter, personal trainer, head of fitness at nerd fitness and the creator of beast skills. He is a certified strength and conditioning specialist with the NSCA and has been coaching people for 15 years. Now that time he received the award of best personal trainer in Washington, DC, as well as the award for best CrossFit, Jim, while he was director of CrossFit foggy bottom, Jim brings his experience in gymnastics and calisthenics to his workouts and tutorials breaking down difficult body weight exercises into manageable progressions for more information, go to movers, mindset.com/podcast. Thanks for listening!


Prioritization [2:09]

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Craig (00:02:08):
(Chapter) Jim Thanks for taking the time. I, I always like my, I, my inability to express how much I appreciate people taking the time to like punch a big hole in their day, find some place where we can sit down and record, take the time. And then I’m always taking like, who would ever wanna talk to me? But that all being said, nice spot. Yeah, we are outside at a college campus. And so far, nobody is even, I think, awake if there’s even anybody on campus, I have no idea. and I, we had a chance to speak. Ooh, it’s probably like a year and a half ago.

Jim (00:02:44):
June of

Craig (00:02:44):
Last year. Yeah. June of last year. And we did a cool video and it was, that was one of the recordings I did where I was like, oh, that shouldn’t, I, I should totally have done that in person. That was like, sometimes I do have a video and I’m like, that was really cool. That one, I was like, I feel like we just got started. So I’m really glad that you did run away and tear. No, no problem. We’ll come back. So I think the, there are so many, like, dude, you’ve got an interesting background. and, and it’s funny how, like I found beast skills like long ago, like everybody else in the planet theater. Right? Absolutely. You must get that all the time on the internet. Yeah. And then I’m like, Hey, is this the guy like, that’s the guy. And then I realized that, you know, we have a mutual friend and I’m like, this is just like really interesting when you find people that are kind, my metaphor is like, they’re going through the woods, you know?

Craig (00:03:25):
And you’re like, oh, I see you over there. And then like a couple years, you’re like, oh, it’s the same guy going the same way. not that I can do any of the physical stuff that you do. But I think what I was most curious about is what, okay. So I happen to have a lot of freedom, like disposable income. And I, I manipulate my environment, you know, to, to like, like support my goals. Mm-Hmm so it’s like, oh, get rid of the TV or commuting. The car is bad for my stress. So I don’t, I don’t have that kind of job. Yeah. And I’m, I’m wondering if you see people cuz you do so much coaching and so much programming for coaching and you’ve and not just like content, but you’ve done it for years. Yeah. Are there things that you have seen, like what do you do when somebody says, I want to do this? Something, they have a goal in mind, but their life is completely full. Like how do you coach them to make space, to make time for themselves? Like how do you convince them? No that’s job zero. You need to start there

Jim (00:04:18):
In terms of justing things to make time for it. It’s really, instead of saying, make time for something it’s really a matter of like, what are your priorities and being able to change your priorities to make time for the training. So it’s not a matter of just finding time. No one’s ever got just free time. Like, oh, you know what? I was sitting around for an hour, just twidling my thumb staring at the wall the other day. No one’s ever gonna be like that. So it’s a matter of, okay, what does your day actually consist of and how can you actually change your priorities to put the training, you know, first and foremost, and yeah, I understand that some people might have, you know, families that they’re handling you know stressful jobs, whatever might be then, okay. Then we have to get a little creative with things, but anyone can fit some that work in if they’re career creative enough.

Jim (00:05:02):
I think a job as a coach should really be to help, you know, the client figure those ways out. Like again, I’ll have clients that are super busy and okay, let’s talk about some home gym equipment that might really work well for you. So you don’t have to travel to the gym. You know, let’s talk about how, you know, your, your office is set up. Your living room is set up, you know, things like that. So that your environment starts reflecting your priorities. And I think that’s a big thing that everyone needs to kind of figure out and, or have a coach help them figure that out as well too.

Craig (00:05:30):
So have you encountered, I’m wondering like, you know, I’m, I’m married right for a long time and I’m wondering, do you see people where like one of them gets interested and then I like, how often is it that they, so in my case, I got interested in park core and then after a year or two, my wife got interested and, and she says, I really wasn’t interested in it, but Craig just kept coming home, like happier. like, I dunno, maybe there’s someone, I don’t know what they’re serving like that. Yeah. I dunno if it’s coffee or like, I should try that. And I, I’m just wondering like how often do you see that? Where there’s somebody who’s in like a relationship where they’re living, you know, with somebody and then as they begin to like, I dunno, smile more, get into their goals more. Does it generally intrain the other person too? Or does it sometimes become attention? Both. Yeah,

Jim (00:06:13):
Actually both. There are times when, so first off in terms of, if someone is doing parkour or they’re, you know, weightlifting or whatever, it’s not that the partner has to necessarily do that exact thing, right? Like it’s not like, oh, I have to do park core. But the general baseline is that like this person is moving around, they’re happier. They’re healthier. Is their partner doing the same thing or is the partner doing no physical activity? That’s when I start seeing tension on that one is when, like there’s a complete split of baseline when someone is moving around and they’re happier and they’re healthier. Sometimes the partner will say, Hey, this is great. I should be doing this too. Hey, let’s do some things that we can do together. Like, you know, maybe I don’t like parkour, but we’re gonna hike together. But plenty of times, unfortunately there becomes a tension and the tension is it’s really, it’s really heartbreaking to see sometimes where one person is moving around.

Jim (00:07:01):
They’re they’re bettering themselves. And the other person just feels like, oh, you know what? This is highlighting my lack of movement, my lack of activity. And I don’t like this. So then that person will then try to sabotage the other person like, oh, you know what, you’re eating healthy, but Hey, let’s go out for ice cream or, you know what, you know, you want to go to the gym, but I really need help at, you know, at home or whatever it might be. So that is very, very common. So anytime I’m coaching with someone coaching someone, you have to look at the environment and the environment of what’s around them physically, like I was talking about just a second ago, but also their environment of their social support system or lack thereof, because it is so absolutely important. So, you know, it’s, you’re lucky if, like I said, if your wife is just supporting you and, and right behind you on it, but, but there’s a lot of times when it, that doesn’t happen, doesn’t happen either, either from the partner or from the surrounding family, parents come over, siblings come over and they, they will poke fun at the person bettering themselves and getting in shape,

Craig (00:07:59):
Which was like, who are you think you’re gonna deadlift? Right. You know, back on the sofa. I know what you mean. Yeah. I, I didn’t mean to interrupt you. No, no. It’s okay to, that’s not, this is the, the thing that’s in my head today. It’s like, so how do you like this is, so this has been my experience and I’m betting, everybody else has the same one mm-hmm , which is you, you know, maybe you have a, a, a job that you, you know, you go to work or maybe you work remotely other, but like the people that you engage with, they have an image of you and you are, there’s a name for like, I think people, everybody, I think people notice me more than they really do. Oh yeah. You know, like I’m in the room, but they’re even people aren’t even paying attention to you.

Craig (00:08:36):
So you have like this, do they like me? Am I doing the right things? And they don’t see you much, but what they do, they have ex when they do, they have expectations, they expect you like, you know, there was a time when we had donuts in an office where I worked and of course, like somebody would show up at the donuts and you have to go to the kitchen and you did a donut. And that was what I did. And I didn’t mind it. if you were gonna try and stop eating the donuts, then we’d like, we had somebody in the office. I don’t eat the donuts and, and we didn’t ostracize them, but it it’s like really tough to, you know, in, we, everybody thinks, well, the, you know, journey a thousand miles, one step, if I wanna get in shape, I’ll go for a walk.

Craig (00:09:12):
But if everybody doesn’t expect to go for that walk or all these things, like it’s really tough. And I’m, I’m just wondering, do you, do you have to coach people to be like, dude, you gotta choose, you know, you’re gonna have to, you’re gonna have to get comfortable with the uncomfortable. And like, is that, do people like, do people ask, like, you know, I say, Hey, Jim, like, I love your workouts, but like my wife’s like, you know, killing me a over here. How do I, or do they just sort of like let that fester or

Jim (00:09:38):
Great question. So with that, I’d say that a lot of times when there is that sort of divide, whether it’s a partner, whether it’s like a workplace. Yeah. No one wants to workplace, especially everyone wants to be part of, you know, their little tribe. So if at the workplace, you’re the weird guy that goes for a walk instead of eating donuts then yeah. For some people they don’t like that feeling and they’ll just continue eating donuts and they’ll continue, you know, along their path. I think a lot of people are not aware of those sort of automatic behaviors that they do. That’s a good point. Yeah. And, and they just, you know, then you start asking them and again, for, as a coach, that’s it’s as a coach, it’s not a matter of saying, Hey, eat better, go for a walk, whatever. It’s not the information. It’s never the information. Like we know how to get in shape. It’s a matter of all those other extraneous factors. Like again, like your work, your workplace, where your coworkers are always I I’ve heard some coworking spots or some office spots where I haven’t had an office job in 20 years. We’re all

Craig (00:10:30):
Like, remember when,

Jim (00:10:31):
Yeah. I don’t know, whatever. Yeah. It’s been like years, but in, I’ve heard some of office places where there’s literally a birthday cake coming in every single week. Right? Yeah.

Craig (00:10:40):
The people in the office exactly have three kids.

Jim (00:10:42):
Right. Exactly. It’s gonna be that. Or, or, you know, whatever someone just brings in donuts because you know, they, they care about the office or whatever might be. So you need first for the person to be aware that that’s happening, you know, like, Hey, you know what, you are just automatically stepping in and grabbing the of stuff. Right. And like, oh yeah, that’s right. I’m just doing this as a social thing. Okay. Well, like how can we still be social with the group, but maybe, you know, not eat as many pieces of cake or whatever it might be. So you start brainstorming with them, but you have to like, even be aware of that situation. And a lot of people just aren’t at all.

Craig (00:11:13):
So yeah. I, and I’m like guilty as charge, your honor. Time served maybe, please. Yeah. I, I think that, I, so I’ve say if I could conquer my dysfunctional relationship with food, I’m not being sarcastic. That’s literally my problem. And I wind up eating out of stress and it, it’s only very recently that at least now I realize what I’m doing. I’m like, okay. And then it’s like, well, is this the least harmful thing that I can be doing? Like this, this is pretty good. Like, alright, maybe I’ll go for a walk instead. And I, I really didn’t realize that I hadn’t been aware of that. Yeah. And, and now I’m just sitting here thinking like, yeah, boy, I wish wish somebody had pointed that out to me a lot sooner.

Jim (00:11:51):
And, and the, the awareness I was talking with a client about this the other day. So the awareness, you can have awareness in hindsight. So, you know, if something’s happened and you look back, you go, oh yeah, that’s right. I always eat when I’m stressed or I always eat. When someone brings a, a cake into the office, you can have awareness in the moment, which is good as well, too, which is, I think a little bit better. Like, oh my gosh, I’m in that situation. Yeah. Where I’m in the break room. I I’m about to get cake. And then you can even have awareness before, before the fact. So, you know what, it’s Monday, someone always brings in donuts in a Monday, whatever it might be. So like, and kind of mentally prepare yourself for that. So that being able to mentally prepare yourself before the triggering event, that can be even better. So building up each type of those awareness of, of, you know, high insight awareness in the moment awareness, and then like pre-event awareness. Yeah. All that’s gonna really help. And it, it takes time. It takes a lot of time to, to build all that stuff up. So

Craig (00:12:42):
Do you, I’m, I’m laughing cuz I have people listening. I have a tablet on the table and I’m like, I’m gonna try taking notes. That’s no, that’s not my. So I’m putting the tablet away. That is not my thing. Okay.

Jim (00:12:53):
I I’ll, I’ll keep mine out. I’ll keep mine out just for, I you’re

Craig (00:12:56):
Not bothering me, but like I, I get so see if I can keep my train of thought and Bramble, I get so fascinated, just getting a chance to talk to people that I’m just like, I don’t even know taking notes. I got 19 ideas in my head. I need to write down 20, 21 and 22.


Beginning to Coach [13:09]

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Craig (00:13:08):
(Chapter) I’m super interested in helping people so moves. That is, you know, I talk to movement enthusiasts, check about who they are, check what they do, check why they do it. So what I’m thinking is, or like, do you recall a point in time where you like, you’re, you’re a gym, like you’re a certain guy. And I was just saying before, like I have a certain idea of you. I have no idea who you really are. Yeah. But you’re like a guy and you do certain things in the fitness spaces and the movement spaces and the coaching spaces. Do you remember, was there a gym before that? I don’t, I don’t even wanna skeleton in the closet, but like, do you remember a time when you weren’t passionate about helping everybody else and you were maybe just doing your own thing or like, do you remember a transition to who you are now?

Jim (00:13:52):
Yeah. I’d say that I’ve always liked physical activity for as long as I can remember way back in the day, it was a lot of team sports. But then in, I’d say middle of high school, I started doing just gymnastics by myself with my buddy, but like, you know self self-taught, right? Yeah, exactly. Self-Taught and doing that in high school and having fun with that and then going to college, going to university of Maryland where we are right now and then being on the gymnastics club team there, that was, that was a lot of fun. And then when I started, I mean, I guess it really was when I started the blog, even before the site, during the, the creating the blog and putting out the information on the blog and getting a good response from that, like, Hey, you know what, I’ve been practicing this handstand, there’s one arm chin up this handstand push up. Here’s some things I’ve learned. This is my amateur opinion. And again, getting the positive feedback, that was the sort of the shift of like, oh, this is really fun to be able to just, you know, help people and to disseminate the information that I have and the experience that I had. So that was the, that was really the big switch is when I actually started putting the stuff down on paper, so to speak. And

Craig (00:14:59):
Roughly how old were you

Jim (00:15:00):
Just like? That was, that was 2005. for the for the blog. So

Craig (00:15:05):
I’m just so that’s post high school right into the college age? Post college. Post college. Yeah, because what I’m what I, the point I wanna make to people listening, I try to, to preach, but you know, if, if you are in a space where you’re like, I don’t like, I mean, I don’t like my job. Okay. You’re probably 40. Yeah. Or if you’re like, I don’t know how to like, get noticed in pre-running or okay. You’re probably in high school, you know, everybody goes through these life journeys and like, yeah. If anybody is going, Craig seems to have it off to get out or, or Jim seems to have this. It’s like, yeah, but you should have seen Craig like 15 years ago. Yeah. I was, I was unrecognizable. I was a different person entirely. And I always love to try and highlight people’s, you know, the guests show their journey because you know, when you go, I used to be like this, or Craig says, I used to be like that.

Craig (00:15:47):
Then people go, oh, alright, well I I’m not, I don’t have Craigslist function. good for you. I don’t know if Craig’s dysfunction, but I can imagine now. Yeah. Going from where I am to where I want to be. And then do people, do people ever come to you and say like, I don’t like where I am, you know, conceptually, physically, but I don’t know where to go or, or do they always seem to show up? Like they find you when you’re like, whoa, I gotta, I, how do I, and they, they wanna know how versus where

Jim (00:16:15):
Or what. Great, great question. So in terms of that, I’d say people, sometimes they’ll come and they’ll say, Hey, I wanted this particular skill. Like I want to handstand, I want this and that, but that is actually a lot rare than you’d think. I mean, if people are coming to like seminars back when I was running seminars. Yes. Like, okay, I a handstand in Sam, I exactly like you’re coming for handstands. So that’s very specific. And then I have some clients that have come that way. But I think a lot of times people will come to a coach and it will be because they want change. You know? Like I want to change. I’m not quite happy where I want to be. I want to feel more confident. I want to feel, you know, I wanna feel just better skin. I wanna move around better. And that’s where they want. That’s the change that they want. They don’t know exactly how to get from a to B. And that’s exactly why they talk to a coach. Right. So, yeah, it’s not just the ma I mean, a handstand could be the vehicle to take them there. Like, you know, what ever since learning a handstand, I feel more confident. I feel, you know, I’m having more fun in my workouts, but maybe they, maybe the handstands, the vehicle, it’s not, so it’s not yeah.

Craig (00:17:16):
How much of your, okay, you’re passionate. Yeah. and you’re energetic. And I knew that like for way back, how much of that do you think is maintained by just like, that’s just who Jim is. Like, it’s just woven in versus how much of it is you, you get that from people that you’re interacting with. So like every person that comes to you that says like, clearly you’re not the guy going, oh, look had a customer with the same stupid problem. like, you’re clearly like, I would so love to help you with you. Yeah. Like how much of it is just it’s in your DNA and how much of it, because what I’m thinking is like, if people listening, they’re dude, this guy’s passionate, but I don’t have any passion. Like, is it just now I’m just born with it or do you get it from the people that you work out with or that you teach

Jim (00:17:56):
Or coach? Yeah. So I, I think that, yeah, there’s, there’s that innate passion. Like you’re not gonna do something for as long as for, for 20 years, if you’re, you know what I’m kind of, so, so about kind of loop warmer about this handstand stuff. So there’s definitely that in passion, but 100% you still build off the energy of others, which is great. And it is, it is challenging over the past, over the past five years, I’ve been working online exclusively that is slightly more challenging than in person, in terms of just, you know, working on people’s energies, cuz you’re sending messages back and forth, but you still do get, you know, you still do get that lift one in a client, gets a new PR or has like a new breakthrough, whether it’s, you know, whether it’s in the exercise realm or mentally or whatever it might be. So you definitely do build off that. But then yeah, in person, if I’m, if I’m doing seminars or classes or whatever it might be. Yeah. I mean, that’s, it’s really easy to feed off the energy there cuz you can see it on people’s faces. You can see, you know, them get a new skill or whatever it might be. And that’s super, we cool. So it’s a little bit of both little from column a low from column B on that. Oh.

Craig (00:18:54):
Chapter) Um what do you, what do you do for people? One of the things about this podcast is it’s basically self-help for Craig. Let’s go and like, all right. So I’m actually, I would say I’m an introvert. I, the way I define introvert extroversion is where do you go to recharge? So recharge is like, I was here 45 minutes early mm-hmm and I was just like sitting in my van, just like reading quietly, you know? And it’s like, I’m just like recharging, waking up, you know, like getting ready to talk to Jim. So that’s, that’s how I do it. And I’m wondering, do you, do you like, do you know, do you have like Jim’s cave, I’m thinking like Batman’s cave, you know? Or do you have, I don’t mean cave, like man caves, but like, do you have your space that you, that you go to or do you, is it, do you do it outdoors? Like do you recharge in nature? Do you recharge or do you just find that I’m recharged after talking

Jim (00:19:40):
To people? You know what funny enough, I would say that I am a bit of an introvert. I know that sounds maybe kind of funny to say, but after seminars, after talks, you know, big things like that or after I’m working, even just sending a bunch of messages, you know, to my clients, I’ll at the end of that, I’ll feel just like, huh? Like a little drained, little wiped cuz I’ve yeah, exactly. I’ve given, I’ve given so much emotion and thought into it. So yeah. In terms of recharging, a lot of different ways, I’ll do it. Whether it’s sitting back listening to music, whether it’s going for a walk or even just going to the gym and working out, like going to the gym, working out with like headphones in like that will recharge me just moving around like that. So yeah, I think it’s important to be able to take that time and, and recharge and kind of step back a bit, you know, like you need to the whole the whole saying of you have to fill your cup up before you fill other people’s cups up, you know, so you absolutely have to do that.

Jim (00:20:28):
So music

Craig (00:20:28):
Is a great I love that you mentioned music. I have ums. So my , I, my mother doesn’t listen to the show, but I’m not blaming my mom, but I, I was a latchkey child. Mm-Hmm so in the late seventies, early eighties, I would come home from school with a key to the house. Yeah. That’s the reference of latchkey. Let myself back in the house. And of course I’d watch television and often eat and that’s sort of the psychological basis, I think for my association with like food and television. Yeah. So I call it the TV monster, even though nobody watches television anymore. Even I don’t watch TV now it’s Netflix or you, you have Hulu or whatever. Exactly. But I call it the TV monster because sometimes I’m like, my brain is just turned on and I need to turn it off.

Craig (00:21:04):
Yeah. And the visual, whatever I like that can distract me. And so that’s like, I need to stop doing that. I find that music works beautifully. Like obviously sit down, I have a Comy chair and I put my nice headphones on cuz I’m I actually have really bad hearing mm-hmm so I have really good audio gear as like my compensation. So I’ll listen to my, and I’ll be like, I haven’t heard this album from pink Floyd, you know? And I’m like, and I’m an adult I could say different hour and a half and listen to all four sides of the wall. And nobody’s gonna say a word. Yeah. What is it about music? Cuz you mentioned cuz I’ve I don’t run much, but when I do it’s with music. Yeah. And it’s always more fun with music. And when, you know, when I’ve worked out in a gym, it’s been with music and when I wanna unwind music works better than TV Craig, you know, physician healed myself. Do you, have you ever, ever thought about cause you, why? I think I’ve actually seen you in a photo with like a spiral. Like I think I’ve seen you listening to music. I have this vision of like maybe I I’m like, where did I get that idea from? But it’s just this idea of music seems really important to you and like have you ever really thought about why or what is it or,

Jim (00:22:04):
I mean, I think with music with that it’s when you’re not listening to music Z you’ve got a thousand other thoughts racing through your head. So just taking a break from that is good. And you know, a lot of times they’ve we’ve talked about, or people have talked about how, you know, you might be thinking about a problem. You might be like really dwelling on a problem, but it’s when you stop dwelling and thinking about the problem that it comes to you, like it comes to you in the shower, you know, like later on. So it seems sort of thing. Like you need to unplug brain a little bit from just constantly thinking and worrying and kind of processing and, and music. Especially like music with lyrics as you’re listening to them and enjoying them, you know, you listen to pink Floyd. Yeah. Like it’s absolutely a way to just, you know, unplug from your own, your own thoughts. I saw Roger Waters. He came to a DC a number of years ago and had the wall. Oh gosh, incredible. Yeah. After you ever get a chance to see it. So all right.

Craig (00:22:52):
If we can do anecdotes, bullet, let somebody know this story already. I, when I was in college, somebody bought me a remastered CD. Like I know you, right. We remember when they had been at CD. Yeah. CD. Somebody bought me a remastered CD of the wall, which if you don’t know what the wall is, I’m sorry, but it’s basically album. So the whole album fits on one disc with two discs. When I was a little kid, my father was a bit of an audio file and he had friends of audio files and somebody made me a 90 minute cassette, no 45 minute cassette. I didn’t realize there were third and fourth sides. I, I only ever heard the first album.

Jim (00:23:27):
That’s hilarious.

Craig (00:23:28):
Well, and it ends with him trying to kill him. That’s where the end of the second side is like goodbye crew world, you know? And, and then it’s just like, and I thought it was a really great thing. Well, imagine my delight. When I went to college, somebody bought me the album and I realized that pink Floyd got back together and recorded a third and a fourth side. I thought I died and went to heaven. It was like when I had the same experience with Stephen King wrote the gun Slinger series. I didn’t know that, but yeah, I didn’t realize he hadn’t written, there was like three books and he stopped for decades. And then he almost got kill. He got hit by a car. I went to the bookstore, bought the first three, like this is cool. Went back. And I’m like, Hey, where the rest?

Craig (00:23:59):
And the guy behind the counter was like, I got bad news for you kid. So there, there are these moments there moments I’m actually gonna make a point.


Recharging [18:54]

Chapter’s show notes…

Craig (00:24:05):
(Chapter) Here are people, people who are like fast forwarding, there are moments in time where like you haven’t experienced and you not only is it that’s awesome. But you also realize that’s a one off mm-hmm like, I’m not gonna get a chance to experience that again. And when you like the look on your face, which nobody else saw when you mentioned the, the waters doing the concept. Yeah. I’m like, yes. The, those moments are really rare. And so ask a question, Craig. Yeah. Do you find that you do clients of yours or people that you’re coaching or even if you’re like programming a thing and then you see a thousand people run the program, do they do better when they’re aware of those moments? Like, so hitting a PR is one thing and that’s what it’s called a PR it’s a personal record. You’re never gonna experience that again. And do they, do they seem to do better in the long run if they’re aware of how awesome those little moments are or is it just some people notice and some don’t or? No.

Jim (00:24:54):
No, it’s, it’s good. That’s a great question. Those victories. There’s some big ones that like, yeah. I, I was trying to deadlift a thousand pounds on a deadlifted a thousand pounds. Congratulations. Great. I mean, it’s fantastic, but it’s important to celebrate all of them along the way. And I think that a coach’s job is to, is to ask their client like, Hey, what are some victories? And to celebrate all those victories and those victories again, they, they don’t always just look like, you know, weights on more weight on the bar. Yeah. It’s a lot of different things. And especially, again, a lot of my clients, like it’s not like trying to smash any sort of lifting records, like their PR could be, Hey, you know what? I was more aware of my eating habits this week than before, or, you know what? I had a little bit of a back slide this week, but the back slide was a lot less than what I’ve normally had, you know? So, or I went on vacation and normally on vacation, I would put on 10 pounds, seven

Craig (00:25:46):
Mar. Exactly.

Jim (00:25:48):
Yeah. But, but you know what? This, this vacation I put on five pounds or no pounds, whatever it might be like you, you have to snatch victory outta the jaws of defeat here and really remind yourself of that. And people are so hard on themselves already. yeah. So really pulling out this victories in like being aware of them and like celebrating them that’s a coach’s to really do that. And, and this is not just, you know, blowing smoke up their butt. It’s not just like a, oh, yay. Great. You did push. No. I mean like, but actual legitimate things like, Hey, you know what we are in this situation, like people just caught get caught in the same habit loops over and over again, we were in the same situation a month ago, a year ago, whatever it might be.

Jim (00:26:24):
And you did this, this and this well now, same, same situation. And you did a little bit better than before this. This is progress. And they don’t even realize that, you know, like as a coach, you’re, you’re watching all these steps, you’re watching all this progress and they don’t even realize it. So it’s absolutely important because if you are just waiting months, years, whatever, to hit a PR and then, Hey, that’s the only time I celebrate. That’s not sustainable either. You know, , that’s a really terrible way to go. It’s just like, oh man, I, I, I don’t celebrate for years at a time. You have to celebrate all those little steps along the way. So how,

Craig (00:26:54):
How many, who’s the guy that talks about the, they call it your monkey sphere. It’s like 125 people you can have relationships with or whatever. And again, I always people like the guests, I’m not, I’m not fishing for details or go, but like how many people do you really interact with that you could like, you know, that like, oh, I have a zoom call with Jim on Tuesday and you, you like really know their story. Like how many people are you actually juggling? Not because I wanna know how you make a living, but because I’m like, yeah. How many people are you really juggling? Cause that’s ener that requires

Jim (00:27:21):
Energy. No, absolutely. So right now, as it, as it was over the past year or so past two years, I’ve actually brought down my client load a bit, just so I’ve been able to work on other projects at nerd fitness. And that was by design. So about two dozen right now in terms of clients. And that’s fine, you know, that’s like a good manageable load while I can still do a lot of other stuff in other realms. But in terms of, in terms of just being able to interact with people, like we’ve got coaches on our team now that are going 50 to 70 clients. And that sounds like a lot, but again, like we’re able to just still connect with them on a very personal level take, you know, really good notes, really.

Craig (00:27:57):
So I was gonna say, you must take notes and keep track,

Jim (00:27:59):
Take notes and videos just really connect with them on, on that level. So that’s, that’s a little bit, little bit different if you know, you’ve got that many, but in terms of my like load right now, my client load right now, no, everything’s fine. I know a lot, a lot about a lot of the people that I’m coaching, you know, they’re, again, some of them I’ve met in person, you know, some of them have come to town and you know, we’ll grab a coffee. Others I’ve never met before in person, but you still have that connection for,

Craig (00:28:25):
So I’d love to rail on social media, whatever Craig, whatever. Like, let me just check no soapbox. Okay. There’s no soapbox under my shoes, but if, you know, I have like hundreds of people who are connected to, and it’s like, yeah, you one cannot even keep track of the names of all those people’s kids or their pets or stuff. And I think it’s a very, I’m gonna say very wise of you to like, like, be aware of the raw number of people that you can really show up for. Yes. And, and be present for. And that’s, I was just kind of curious, I’m just my, my brain’s going like, whoa, I like reeling at the concept of trying to me just like Craig, trying to keep track of 24 people. That would be a lot of people to keep track. It takes a lot of energy. So mad props for being able to pull that off mad props for being smart enough though. They’re like, I it’s that’s enough. Like

Jim (00:29:09):
, it’s it’s yeah. I don’t know. You just with the clients with that number. Again, my, my client load is actually pretty low in comparison to you know other people at nerd fitness, but that’s just by design. Yeah. I don’t know, like you, you just, you start to get to know how they interact their beats, their baseline. I talk a lot with in terms of I tell coaches all the time that in terms of just, you have, you have to be able to, this is like the one skill that’s definitely hard to develop on online. Coaching is you have to be able to sense when there’s a problem with someone. So, you know, if you’re, you know, talking in person, yes, it’s very easy to pick up on body language. But if you’re just talking to someone in messages, you know, talking to a client messages and the, the messages look different, like, you know, maybe they used to send you novels and they’re only sending you a couple like lines, maybe stop capitalizing.

Craig (00:29:56):
What’s going on there.

Jim (00:29:56):
Exactly. maybe you know, maybe they’ve been sending you messages is, you know, several times a week. You now that’s only once a week. Like there’s all those things that you’ll pick up on. You have to be able to pick up on the change in baseline. You know, mm-hmm, some PE some people they’ll always just be like very short messages and that’s fine. Maybe that’s their baseline, but when there’s the change in baseline, that’s when you really have to say, okay, you know what? There’s, there might be something wrong with this person. Like they might be just have a lot of stress and then that’s when you reach out, you know, and you just kind of, kind of pick at it and you, Hey, we see maybe a little stressed this week. Is there anything I can do to help? What can we adjust, et cetera, et cetera. And they might not realize they’re we talking about awareness the whole time. They might not have even realized their stress. Like, oh, I can’t believe. Yeah, you’re right. Absolutely. So that is the real art of the online coaching and online communications being able to pick up on those, those subtle cues, those cues that just when you’re not talking to someone in person. So yeah.

Craig (00:30:45):
I’ve always wondered about frequency of like interacting with your coach. And I think I’ve read somewhere that like once a week is pretty much the standard writer. It was like, oh, we meet every week, but I read somewhere. And I can’t recall where that if you meet more than once a week, it’s like a huge, you know, like twice a week, isn’t twice as good. It’s like 20 times as good because there’s just something about the cadence. Yeah. So do you normally meet with people once a week or do you find that there are some people that do

Jim (00:31:14):
Better at twice a week? So, so in terms of that in terms of how our coaching is set up and structured, we don’t meet like one on, on like real time. And I think, like I said, I think there’s a advantage to that simply for the fact that if someone’s really busy, they can be sending messages. Right. And then I get the messages and send them back. But generally speaking, we’re talking to clients two to three times a week, like bare minimum on that one. Sometimes we’ll have calls, you know, every so often, but more calls actually don’t create a better coaching environment. Clients think they do. They’ll like, oh, you know what, if they called me every single week, I would definitely stay accountable to them. Just honestly, doesn’t work. It’s kinda hilarious. Like I missed again. Right. That’s exactly.

Jim (00:31:50):
That’s exactly how some of the calls would go. That you’d be like, oh yeah, I, you know, I did this and that. And again, and, and, you know, didn’t do my intentions or whatever it might be, but yeah, I would totally agree that like once a week is just like, you know, it’s, it’s like trying to tan and you go out to the sun just in, in the sun just once a week. Like, yeah, maybe you get a little bit, but not too much. It’s, it’s the repeated you burn or you burn it’s the repeated efforts back and forth. And it’s that I cannot remember the term for it now, but in terms of like learning something, when you learn something, if you learn something and it’s time to repetition. Exactly. And there might be

Craig (00:32:24):
It out, it’s like a day and then two days and then a week and then a month. And yeah, that’s,

Jim (00:32:27):
That’s exactly it. Yeah. So when you, when you’re first learning something like having it like a little bit closer is good, and then you can kind of space it out a little bit longer, a little bit longer, and we don’t space it out. So we’re, we’re not talking to a client for a month, but we keep it at a regular intervals with the communication. So that again, we can continue to keep momentum going. And when we’re doing the online coaching, that’s actually, I’d say one of the biggest, one of the biggest indicators of success for a client is communication. So coaches we’re gonna be communicating nonstop. Okay. Regard, like I’m gonna be sending you messages ever to. We guarantee you tell you this shut out pretty much. Yeah. but what ends up happening with a lot of online, with a lot of clients especially online clients when it’s just, you know, the, the messages back and forth is it’s their loss of communication.

Jim (00:33:10):
It’s when they completely drop off the map and go radio silent. When we see no momentum, you know, and I can understand, well, the reason why people do that is, is many there’s many different reasons, but like people end up getting, you know, they, they feel overwhelmed or they feel embarrassed by what they did or didn’t do. So then they stop talking to their coach or they get a little bit busy and they feel like they need to give me like a novel update. Yeah. And I’m like, no, no, no. Just, just gimme a quick update. I underst I understand that, you know, works crazy or a family’s crazy, you know, just, just keep, keep the lines of communication, a open. And when we’re able to keep those lines of communication open, even during the busiest weeks, that’s gonna be so much better. So yeah. We tell clients time and time again, like just whether you had the best week in your life or the worst week, just keep communication open and we’ll be able to keep those because

Craig (00:33:54):
There’s gotta be cycles, right. Like, I mean, human beings are not robots that repeat the same thing every week and it’s the holidays, or it’s the time of year that, you know, any number of things.

Jim (00:34:03):
Yeah. All kinds of

Craig (00:34:04):
Anniversary of somebody’s passing and you don’t realize, like, I, I didn’t realize the birthdays. Right. So it’s like every year, September, October, I get like in a little bit of a foul mood, cuz my birthday’s in early September and I never really thought that was a thing, but I’m just like, I don’t know. I’m looking at 10 years of journals and every September there’s like journals missing. Like I didn’t journal on Tuesday. Why is that? I don’t apparently. Yeah. So then even if it’s maybe not because of my birthday, maybe it’s just the time of season, maybe it’s I have terrible allergies and you know, inflammation causes depression like there, those two are related. Yeah. So I think there’s a lot to be said for being aware of like, okay, the thing that I’m gonna keep doing is communicate and not communicate well or communicate good material or bad material,

Jim (00:34:44):
But just, just keep lines of communication open, cuz it’s really easy to, it’s really, really easy to communicate with your coach when the it’s a great week. Like I got a PR I ate nothing but salad, whatever. It might be easy to talk to your coach, but it’s harder to talk to your coach when you’re like, I ate nothing but birthday cake all week because my coworkers brought in like, you know, like that that’s that’s, those are the weeks where it’s hard, you know? And I mean, it goes without saying, coaches are not judging. We’re not, we’re not wagging fingers. Like we understand things are tough, but like we never know the challenges that clients are going through. If the clients don’t express them themselves. And that that’s, that’s the hardest, that’s the hardest step for a lot of clients to make like realize we’re we’re not trying to dig in and, and again, get, get skeletons or whatever it might be. But we’re just trying to really identify the challenges that people are going through and say, Hey, let’s, let’s talk through some things. Let’s adjust things. Let’s see how it goes. No judgment. You know, we’re here to help. So,


Connecting with clients [24:04]

Chapter’s show notes…

Craig (00:35:38):
(Chapter) So many things that I, so many things I think of maybe I’ll pause for a sip of coffee. Yeah, go ahead. I, we often joke this podcast is brought to you by dogs. No dogs today. And coffee. Thank you for bringing the coffee. Oh yeah, of course.

Jim (00:35:50):
Absolutely. I can’t function without coffee. So

Craig (00:35:53):
what about oh, millions of things. All right. Let’s like left turn, turn signal. Let’s go ahead. No, I love to collect stories and, and not like, you know, stories of accidents or disaster, but just like stories that people are passionate about. Because I, I really believe that when you hear somebody tell a story, like me telling my story about finding the wall yeah, you got together. It’s like you learn something about Craig. Like, oh Craig, okay. Craig’s in the music. You, you know my what epoch I’m from because what band I’m talking about. Yeah. If you don’t what band I’m talking about, please go to Wikipedia, look up pink, Floyd. all right. That being said, are there any stories that come to mind if I say like, Hey, is there a story you wanna share?

Jim (00:36:28):
Oh man, give more direction. What about

Craig (00:36:31):
Victory defeat related to your coaching? Like your professional coaching work, but something to something that you, maybe somebody said to you, Hey, do you wanna come try Jim, let’s go ice climate. Like something random that somebody had asked you to do and an experience that you went. Oh, okay. I guess try that. And then it really turned into something that really surprised you and was like a growth opportunity or was really fun. Hmm.

Jim (00:36:55):
Man, I’ll just go with the first first, first thought as best thought. Right. I, so I don’t know about that, but

Craig (00:36:59):
Okay. You be wrong with that

Jim (00:37:00):
First choice. First choice is best choice as I say an improv. So I’d say this was just a month or two ago. Nothing too crazy and not, not the most exciting story, but my buddy he’s got a boat, you know, goes down the Potomac and he had one of those like electric surfboard, things, this like an electric foil. Have you seen them? They look like a surfboard and then they’ve got like this thing that comes down, that sticks

Craig (00:37:21):
Down and that yeah. The

Jim (00:37:22):
Wings underwater. Okay. Yeah, exactly. So, and, and you’ve got a little remote in your hand and you’re going along. And so, you know, he jumps on and buzzes around, you know, it’s his, he he’s, he’s good at it. And then he is like, Hey, you wanna try it? I’m like, yeah, sure, no problem. Yeah. I’ll, I’ll give this a go. Yeah. Well I know he is gonna be difficult, but, but I was just like, yeah, that sounds fun. And you know, everyone else on the boat was like, no, no, I don’t wanna do it. Don’t wanna do it. And you know, I gave it a go and you know, I was able to get up on like, you know, one knee, whatever and whatever, like moderate success. And it was a blast. It was fun. But then my wife, like later on, she goes, she goes, I knew you would do it.

Jim (00:37:54):
I knew you would step in and try it because like you just step in and try anything. Like you’ll in a good way, you in a good way, she she’s, she’s not, she’s not yelling at me. And that was one of those things that I thought, oh, you know what, I guess, I guess all the different experiences I’ve had over the years, like, yeah. Like I will more often than not step into something and, and give it a go, you know, even if I’m terrible at it. And there was never any sort of fear or apprehension or like, you know, you self

Craig (00:38:21):
We call it self

Jim (00:38:23):
When you’re, self-preservation , probably not

Craig (00:38:27):
Selfconsciousness self is the word I sitting, if you weren’t, you’re not self-conscious. Yeah. You’re gonna laugh at me when I fall off. Yeah,

Jim (00:38:32):
No, yeah. I guess not self-conscious didn’t and, and I don’t wanna, I’m not trying to sound like I’m, you know, such a tough guy or anything like that, but yeah. I just, I felt really excited to have the opportunity for that, even if, yeah. Even if I fell off, which I did plenty of times. Yeah. Even if I looked silly, that’s something now that I really enjoy those sort of ways to just kind of push my, push my comfort zone. I was talking with my neighbors just yesterday, 10 years ago, my wife and I went skydiving, you know, and skydiving is something again that terrifies people. But yeah, we were, we were talking about how awesome it was and this and that. So not that I’m a thrilled junkie by any means, but like I still I still enjoy being able to just see, see what the body can do and move around and

Craig (00:39:13):
Have fun with that. So you riff off the other person too, right? Well, geez. He’s having fun. I mean, like, you know, I’m a human being too. I should probably try that. I, I think that’s a wonderful, it’s a wonderful attitude of life. And when I manage to do that, my life goes better. And when I’m all like, eh, it’s never gonna work, then my life tends to go worse. So I, yeah, probably a lesson I should review

Jim (00:39:29):
I, I think, I think the lesson is try new things and also, yeah, don’t worry about exactly what don’t worry about, what other people are gonna think, because yeah, you’ll probably screw up. You’ll probably mess up, but Hey, you’re giving it a go and there’s a lot of other people that are just staying on the boat and not even trying it, you know? Yeah.


Storytime [35:38]

Chapter’s show notes…

Jim (00:39:44):
(Chapter) So, and I mean, that’s, we’re talking about movement here, but to kind of swing it over, cuz some of the stuff I’m doing now with nerd fitness, good segway there. I’m doing a lot more video stuff with nerd at the moment. So, you know, I’ve got my, I’ve got my client load of course, but pushing a lot of other videos and, and doing video production front to back for them and making videos for like YouTube, for instance, that’s something that, you know, people being on camera it’s for a lot of people, it is absolutely terrifying. Freak out. Absolutely terrifying. Yeah. I mean, I’ve, you know, I’ve had years you acting classes and seminars and things like that. So it came maybe a little bit more natural being on camera, still a different animal entirely. Yes. But having the ability just to be like, you know what, I’m gonna give this a go do the best I can learn from it, get better and get better. That is something that I’m getting a lot better at and feel a lot better at than I definitely have in the past. So yeah, for sure.

Craig (00:40:36):
Yeah. I, I know what you mean about like it’s one thing to be standing up in front of a bunch of people I’m like, okay, we’re talking about this. Like yeah. 30 people. Okay, fine. Oh, they brought a video camera. It’s like, you know, if I pick my nose inadvertently, when I’m not paying attention, that’s gonna be on the internet forever. Exactly. And it’s the idea of a lot of you, I’ve done a couple podcasts and people who I point microphones at some people really freak out. I don’t like try to freak them out, but it’s, they know this thing goes in that thing and that thing’s recording and I’m gonna put it on the internet and I do everything I can to make them feel comfortable. I, I, I dunno if I said it to you, but I’m like, you know, at the end of this, if you go, no, that show is never going out in the world, I’ll press delete.

Craig (00:41:11):
And we had an awesome conversation thanks to the coffee and we won’t use it. But after that, I’m gonna go make my thing. And I think there’s something to be said for, or went once someone has taken that leap, like, yeah. I mean, you’re the quietest Mo not, not Jim. Yeah. but like random person you’re super quiet. You never, never put yourself out there, but you know what, you know, everything there is to know about this topic and more people could. So why don’t you try just getting up in front of the group and giving your presentation. Yeah. And it wigs them out. And then they’re like, well, I don’t, they talk about it. And then somebody goes, oh, I, I got a question. All of a sudden, they, you kind of putting yourself, putting myself out there, gives you the opportunity for the nice people in the world to go. Wow. That’s really helpful. Thank you. Hey, I have a question. And then you suddenly realize that being in front of the group, that actually could be a source of energy cuz you can draw off all that passion. Oh, absolutely. So absolutely. I think maybe you and I kind of have lost sight of how awesome it is to get the opportunity to be in front of yeah. Anybody ever and have them not throw a tomato, but actually say that was cool. Yeah.

Jim (00:42:13):
So it’s definitely, you know, yeah. It’s definitely something that, like you said, you draw energy from the crowd and people that are afraid to do that. Like, again, they’re full of so much information if they’re able to get up yeah. In front of a crowd or they’re able to nowadays, especially the given situation, if they’re able to make a video and put it out to the world. Yeah. They might feel nervous at first they might do terrible. They might in terrible a relative term. They might stumble. They might, you know, feel nervous, but it’s still good that they did it, you know? And it’s good to get the reps in for that. Yeah. And I’ve heard a lot of times, especially over the past, like couple years that like a lot of the live streaming that people will do, like last year when things started locking down, we started do live streaming, a lot of classes, a lot of, you know, chin up challenges and things like that.

Jim (00:42:53):
Yeah. And, and yeah, when you’re live streaming, there’s, you don’t, you don’t think about editing. You’re not thinking about anything. You’re like, okay, I’m just, I have to be here in the moment and I have to convey whatever information I have to, to the crowd. And you don’t, you don’t worry about it as much, you know, it’s, it’s when you record it and then you have to edit it, this and that, where people think about it a little bit more. So if people are really kind of stuck about making videos, making podcasts or anything like that, and you know, they, they don’t know, know how to kind of take a big leap forward, just try going live, you know, like you’re on Facebook, live YouTube, live, whatever it might be, you know, like just, just do it and, and kind of rip the bandit off. And I think that will help a lot of people get out their comfort zone there. So, yeah,

Craig (00:43:31):
That’s a good point. I hadn’t really thought about this is all the things that I generally do. It’s a lot of times we just call this like open conversation or I’m not really planning on editing or changing things around. I mean, if it goes really long, maybe we’ll cut, you know, some stupid ramble that I inserted, but generally what people hear is what you Jim and I experience. Yeah. I don’t know.


Video [39:45]

Chapter’s show notes…

Craig (00:43:49):
(Chapter) What are your thoughts on what can I do better?

Jim (00:43:53):
Wait, wait,

Craig (00:43:53):
We talking about, I mean, here in the, in the podcast environment, in the space that I create in the, in the questions I ask, not so much the, oh no.

Jim (00:44:00):
Oh, everything’s fine. Yeah. No, it’s fun. It’s fun to, to be able to riff back and forth like this. I, I like it.

Craig (00:44:04):
And I, so it’s like a pole, the middle of the table. There’s oh, there’s a beautiful umbrella. We

Jim (00:44:07):
Keep, like we needed the umbrella in cases started raining today. So no, no, no, everything’s fine. I, I like the back and forth here and just asking me like the, the open ended questions and me the questions of, you know, what’s a story that transformed you or whatever it might be. I think it’s good. I think it’s

Craig (00:44:20):
A lot of fun. We aim please. Yeah. And I’m always torn. Like I’m trying to run like four, maybe different, like, you know, trying to keep an eye on the zoom call that’s running, you know? And I’m like every once in a while I look at the timer and you know, I gave up on notes like that is not, Craig is not a note taker. Totally. Nope. And I’m trying to like watch the levels and it’s just all these things. So on one hand doing the podcast, like the recording part of it is like, I kind of dislike it cuz I’d rather just be like show up and be like, dude, I forgot the recorder. I’m so sorry. Like it’s, it’s all James stamps. I forgot the recorder. Let’s just have a conversation cuz then I can just have cool conversations with people, which is how it all started.

Craig (00:44:56):
But on the other hand, I really like maybe in the beginning I could have told myself, yeah, I’m gonna, I’m gonna pretend, but I’m just having conversations now. I’m like, no, these conversations that I’m privileged enough to get, to have these need to be shared. Like I keep the more people I talk to. I mean, you’re, you know what a George Cun painting is the guy with the paints, with the dots. Yeah. You know, you get real close. It’s just dots. He’s be like, oh, it’s people on a beach, you know? Yeah. Like I feel like I’m making a George Cera painting and I’m like, you’re clearly a bright red.in the middle. Like this guy is well known and he’s done a ton of stuff. And he’s like, this is his environment, like sharing with other people. But the people that I talk to that nobody has ever heard of them or heard from them and guess what? You people have things to share to. And I love, yeah. Like when I press stop and they’re just like, that was awesome. And I’m like, yeah, almost like I know what I’m doing. Right. Yeah. so I love that you, that you talk about how to get people to like take a first step, open up themselves out there, open up. And I think that’s super important that more people hear that.

Jim (00:45:49):
(Highlight) Oh, there’s, I mean, there’s so many people with so many different things to share in the movement community, in the physical, you know, culture community, and now it’s, it’s easier than ever. Let’s be serious. It’s easier than ever to create stuff and get things out there, you know, and distribute it a lot more than it was in the past. And yeah. A lot of times people are just, they’re not doing it because again, they’re a little bit afraid. They’re a little bit never

Craig (00:46:08):
Done it before. Right. Exactly.

Jim (00:46:09):
I can do that. Yeah. And I mean, I mean, when I started and, and it’s one of those things, like you just, you do whatever you can and then you start growing and building from there, you know, no one ever just comes up with a finished product. So like again, when I, when I started back in oh five, it was the, the free blog. Was it blogger, blogger.com? I

Craig (00:46:25):
Think it blogger was many years ago. Was that on my brain’s like, I can’t do math like 16 years,

Jim (00:46:30):
16 years. That’s what I’m saying. 16 years ago. This last year. Yeah. Boy. So with that, that was, yeah. The Beast skills.blog spot.com or something. If that was the original. Yeah. Sorry. Anyway, the point is like, it was just like, Hey, I’m just gonna make posts. I’m just gonna make really like, just simple posts about my training or whatever it might be. I wasn’t thinking about the end result. I was just thinking like, what am I doing right now? And then can I do a little bit better? Cuz I think also, and then honestly this goes, even with just people’s practice as well, they see a lot of people’s end results. Mm-Hmm and they see a lot of people’s like PRS, but they don’t see the start. They don’t see the process. And you need to realize that, you know, just start wherever you’re at and then take that next step forward that next step forward. Don’t worry if it’s not, if it doesn’t look as polished in terms of like content creation, you know, don’t worry if it’s not as polished as someone else’s it’s it’s not going to be it’s it’s gonna have to start easy. Or if you’re doing a handstand, you know, maybe you fall down, it doesn’t look really good. It’s not a good straight line, but like have fun with the process and realize it’s just, it is just a process, you know know. So yeah.

Craig (00:47:30):
I, my Craigs, there’s something wrong with me. My brain is weird. I’m chuckling because I scrolled backwards through your Instagram account. Mm-Hmm blank last night. And I, what I love to do is I just like the, just go way back, you know, there’s the do some deep cuts? No, the, the meme of the, I forget which character just from south park, it’s the little kid and he’s sitting on the bus and his feet, aren’t touching the floor and he’s like, I’m in danger. Yeah. You know? Right.

Jim (00:47:53):
It’s I knew exactly what you talking about. It was Ralph Ralphy hands,

Craig (00:47:57):
No room to fall and you’re losing your balance. yeah. It’s like the meme is perfect. I’m in danger. What could go wrong? yeah. Yeah. But that’s that like circles back to putting yourself out there? I think, I mean, maybe don’t do your handstand, the traffic on the median, like okay. But, but yeah. They’re but

Jim (00:48:12):
(Quote) Yeah, just be bold about it. I think with that as well too, putting yourself out there with content, if we’re talking about content, there was some saying—I’m gonna butcher it—but it’s like, you think that everyone is caring about you and like judging you or whatever, but in actuality when you first start off, no one is even listening to you, and that’s not a depressing thought. It’s more, just a, should be a liberating thought. Like, you know what? Yeah, exactly. Don’t panic. Just do what you can put stuff out there and just grow from there. (/quote) And yeah, I guess same thing with just your practice as well, too, in terms of your training, like, you know, if you’re at the gym and you, you know, I’ve done plenty of silly things at the gym where I’ve knocked my with a barbell or falling over or whatever, like things happen, you know? No big deal. Yeah. You don’t worry about it because again, most people are gonna forget about it, you know, the next day. So yeah. (/highlight)


Podcasting [43:48]

Chapter’s show notes…

Craig (00:49:01):
(Chapter) Music, what, what music do you listen to when you wanna, like, I’m gonna say unwind, but like when you wanna like, okay, I want to just go to my gym space, you know, my, my JM space, not my G YM space, go to my, go to my James space and, and relax. What, what are music that, that you listen to?

Jim (00:49:17):
Oh, I mean, it’s a lot of just indie rock. So like my, my playlist is ridiculous in terms of just like all over the place

Craig (00:49:23):
I’m stuck in the nineties. I, I don’t think no. It’s okay.

Jim (00:49:25):
It’s okay. Yeah. Yeah. So like, I’ll listen to Spotify and whatnot. I’ll put together Spotify playlist, which I’m literally pulling right now. a bunch of different things. So

Craig (00:49:35):
Don’t play the music cuz it’s all copyrighted. Then I have to cut it out.

Jim (00:49:38):
So don’t play the Smiths. That’s gonna be,

Craig (00:49:40):
Oh, the Smiths. So I, I have

Jim (00:49:42):
Some Smiths. Yes. So yeah, the Smiths I’ve got snail mail. She’s local artist outta Columbia, Maryland. A pretty big right now. Shout up. Yeah. Wolf Fallas Phoebe Bridgers. I mean just like a lot of indie rock sort of stuff.

Craig (00:49:54):
See the reason I’ll give you some time to think. The reason I ask is because everyone of those names, you drop, we link 'em up in their show notes and I’m like more people should, oh, that’s cool. Yeah. The random connections, right? Like Jim mentioned, you know, cheese and I, I have a problem with cheese. Cheese is always my example. And those names that you mentioned, people will go off and listen to the music and maybe that spur somebody to become an indie rock star, something

Jim (00:50:13):
Who does. Yeah, absolutely. And then like what’s fun is there’s been a lot of speaking of the nineties, there’s been several bands that have like released new stuff. Like the sneaker pimps. Is that name ring a be, oh no, it doesn’t ring a bell. Okay. Anyway, they, they came out with six underground. I think that was actually 96, 97 trip hop movement. And they’ve just released like a new album. So like that was something exciting. So like I love that music back then and I’m like, oh my gosh. They’re like, they’re still doing the, you know, like as, as an, as an older gentleman now, like it’s nice to see someone that like was like, like a band that was really putting out some great hits coming back and still doing some, some so passionate. Yeah, exactly. It, it gives me hope that I can still do stuff to this day. Right.

Craig (00:50:50):
amen. Yeah. Once more louder for losing my back. I, I think it’s it’s always so neat to get to like talking about you. It’s neat to talk to people and be like, Hey, what about music? Or what about, you know, like, there’s just so many questions I can ask, but I’m always like conscious like, well, it’s also gotta be, I think so thing that, that I think other people will be interested in might help them rather than just, yeah. It’s Craig talking to random people asking dumb questions, although I probably can make a whole show out of that. .


Music [49:00]

Chapter’s show notes…

Craig (00:51:15):
(Chapter) Was there anything that you were thinking on your way over here? Oh, I hope we get to talk about dot, dot dot, and I haven’t gone there like, or another way to say this, what question should I have asked?

Jim (00:51:23):
You that I haven’t yeah, yeah, sure. No problem. And I, I made little notes because I wanted to remember as well, too. So in terms of just some of the stuff that I think is exciting that we’re doing with nerd fitness right now. So first off we’ve got, and I’m pulling this up right now. We’ve got a camp for nerd fitness. We’re having another one. I was gonna say that

Craig (00:51:42):
This is the thing that I’ve seen. Like, I I’m, I’m a nerd. I, I actually have what what’s the like a level 27 druid or something like that assassin, I think. Right? Yeah. Yeah. So people are like, what are these guys talking about? Yeah. Just go to nerd fitness.com. Yeah. Sorry, keep going. So I know they used to have camps, but they’re

Jim (00:51:59):
Having another one. Yeah. So in terms of nerd fitness, we had camps in 2014, 2015 and 2016, we had in the falls of those three years, it was fantastic. A lot of fun and the camp, I always tell people, like, what was amazing about the camps. We might have talked about this last time, but the range of people that went both in age and ability, so you had, I think the youngest was like 18, or even, maybe even 17. They went with their parent or something like that. But like, let’s see 18 all the way up to like sixties and 70. Okay. So huge age range. And then the ability levels, people that are absolute beginners, you know, who are like, oh, my knee hurts a little bit. And I haven’t really moved around for a while. All the way up to people doing literally free standing handstand pushups.

Jim (00:52:41):
Okay. Right. So like a huge breadth of, of abilities as well too. But every single person who went to camp was able to choose their own a sure. Like in it, like, okay, today I’ve got, you know, five different things I could possibly do. And I’m gonna, I’m gonna try this nutrition class and this, this beginner park core class, and then this mindset class. And it was it’s magical. I mean, I, I, I don’t use that word lightly. It was absolutely magical to see people’s experiences at camp. So we absolutely loved doing that. We had to put, put it on hold. Right. no, even before the pandemic, we had to put it on hold just because we just had to restructure the, the business a bit to make it more sustainable camp was great. But if we just kept on running camps, it just wasn’t going to be feasible. So obviously people didn’t like that. They wanted camps, but we wanted to do it. Right. You know, we wanted to do our community. Right. So we had to put it on hold for a bit, then the pandemic. So I have to put it on hold for another year, but we are finally bringing it back. It’s May 11th to the 15th next year. And, and 20, 22 people be huge. Yeah. Oh, it’s, it’s like, it’s gonna be a lot of fun and

Craig (00:53:42):
I’m like, hold on. I that up.

Jim (00:53:45):
Yeah. . Yeah. And the, the website for that is camp dot nerd, fitness.com for information, people can sign up for information, but yeah, I’ll be teaching classes there, but again, we have a, a it’s where is it gonna be? It’s gonna be down in Clayton, Georgia. So that’s two hours outside of Atlanta. It’s the same spot that we had our last camps at. It’s a fantastic facility, like plenty of room for tons of different things, both inside and outside. Is that in the

Craig (00:54:09):
Woods with a bunch of zip lines? Cause I, I okay.

Jim (00:54:12):
Oh, wow. Yeah. There’s, there’s, there’s different like rope courses and stuff like that. You might have been, I

Craig (00:54:16):
Went to a programming camp one time run by the name, escape me, and I’m not gonna plug them anyway. And I mean, the course was good, but they could buy their own advertising, nerd fitness. I’m happy to. And I was like, that was great because we were like staying in cabins and we were a bunch of coders. We were all like pasty white people. Right. Pastly like, not out in the sun, white people. Right. I was like, everybody is to pay a pale and, and we were like immersed and it was like the meals with coders. So I can, I can only imagine. Oh,

Jim (00:54:42):
It’s yeah. It’s, it’s incredible with, again, the different types of, of classes that we have, have again with, like, with, with coaching and with nerd fitness coaching in general, like we really look at it as a holistic approach of address workouts and exercise, address nutrition, and then address your mindset. We literally have classes for all three of those things so that you can again pick and choose like what you want to do. And yeah, it’s, it’s, it might be at the same camp. It’s a, it’s a Jewish camp. I can remember the name exactly off the top of my head, but it’s a really, really good spot. And it’s yeah. People are standing cabins and I’m

Craig (00:55:12):
Just like, my brain is going, whoa. I could just like, leave my house in Pennsylvania. I’ll take, I like little RV. I’ll take my van, I’ll drive down there. I’ll go to camp. And then I can just turn west and rock climb my way to the right. Absolutely. Oh my God.

Jim (00:55:23):
No, it it’s great. I mean, people are so excited. What’s great is like, I’ve got number of my clients that are going and all of them, it’s really funny. It’s sort of the same story where, you know, they’ve signed up, they’ve done the pre-sale, they signed up for camp. We’re gonna, we’re gonna open it up to general public in a bit, but then they tell their family’s friends, coworkers. They’re like, they’re like, you’re doing what you’re going. You’re going to nerd camp. What is this? And

Craig (00:55:44):
Yes, I am. There are t-shirts

Jim (00:55:46):
Yes, there are. No it’s I’m I can’t wait. It’s super exciting. Yeah. So that, that’s one of the big things that we’re, we’re obviously putting together for next may on that one. And then let’s see, in terms of, in terms of just, yeah. Nerd fitness in general, I guess over the past, you know, obviously a year and a half, it’s been a little crazy, literally typical last year I was again doing my coaching of course with or fitness, but then also doing a lot of the live streams, as I mentioned, which was, which was good. It kind of shifted us and shifted our focus as, as a company to different things. But then yeah, the start of this year done, I’ve stepped into a lot more again of the, I was telling them, I was talking about earlier the video production. Yeah, yeah. Video production and like just putting stuff together there. So being able to reach out to people in a different way. So we’ve reached out with articles, we’ve reached out with, you know, camps we’ve reached out with you know, livestream classes, but be able to be able to put together more videos and disseminate the information that way has been like my big thing over the past half year, six to eight months or so. So that’s been pretty exciting

Craig (00:56:47):
And yeah, I’ve been running into more and more people it’s. I mean do you know what UN must know what XKCD is, right. The card, like, please tell me you cuz if anybody who’s a nerd knows what XKCD doctor, if you don’t know what X, K C D the four letters.com is just go there. It’s really cool. And, and there was a, it’s just a cartoon, there’s a cartoon of like, it’s like a super close up one panel of like a data table. Okay. And the left hand column is years it’s 20 16, 17, 18, 19 20 20. And, and on the right, it’s just like a squiggly line. Like, you don’t know what the data is, but next to 2019 is an asterisk. And next to 2020 is the, the dagger, you know, like fast comes after the asterisks, like for footnotes, that’s all, it is a picture of, and it just says every data table for the rest of history, you know, because like everything changed for two years.

Craig (00:57:32):
And absolutely, I don’t wanna say it’s a good thing, but there’s a lot of good that people have, have, like, that you make, make lemonade from lemons, brain, brain networking. People have made a lot of lemonade from it. And the amount of like, there’s a lot of rightful, like, you know, appropriate concerns still happening. But the amount of times that I talk to people and they’re just like, oh yeah. Like, like the meme is like, they’re throwing their gloves. Like, oh yeah, I got this. I’m ready for 20, like, or whatever it’s gonna be. I’m gonna, I’m going around, you know, this, I have to do this, I’m doing that. And that’s gonna enable me to do, and they, like, on one hand, it’s sort of shocked us all to really rethink, like, what’s important. Yeah. What do I wanna do? And I’m like, you know, I think I’m gonna do that. I’m gonna start on that. Yeah. And, and that I had no clue that they were starting the camp back. I was like, oh, another thing that I have to do next year. Yeah.

Jim (00:58:19):
No, no. It’s no, you can sign up. Yeah. But yeah, it’s, it’s exactly what you’re saying over this past year and a half. There’s been a lot of change. There’s been a lot of adaptability and yeah. Like I’m doing things completely different than I did last year. And in terms of like the video production, I mean, same sort of thing. As you’re pulling 1,001 different pieces of gear for podcasting, I’m like, okay, now I need to learn about lighting. Now I need to learn. Yeah. Like professional video editing software. I I’m learning various, like Adobe after effects, like special effects stuff. So all these, all this different skill set that I didn’t have at the start of the year now I’m, you know, picking it up and it’s exciting. And it’s, and again, it’s cool to be able to divert diversify what I’m doing and what nerd fitness is doing to reach out to people and to connect with people. And yeah, I think it it’s there’s of course Darwin’s line of, you know, survival of the fittest. It’s actually, the line is actually survival is the, the one that survives is not the strongest or the fittest, but the one that’s most adaptable, adaptable. Exactly. And, and, you know, for better or worse. Yes. Over this past year and a half, like we’ve had to be adaptable. We’ve had to change. So yeah.

Craig (00:59:24):
Obviously a lot of people, you know, all ranges of not good outcomes for a lot of people, but I really think the vast majority of people have right. Had the right mindset about it, but Hey, yeah.


Nerd Fitness updates [51:15]

Chapter’s show notes…

Craig (00:59:36):
(Chapter) (highlight) Um cool. I’m just watching the time. So I mean, I’m good. I do this. Yeah. Yeah. anything else jump to mind of like, cuz you really did bring a list, so yeah, sure. Yeah.

Jim (00:59:47):
Let’s see while we’re talking about just various projects and whatnot, so yeah. So nerd fitness has been a blast and, and kept nerd fitness coming up in terms of Beast skills. So I’m currently, and I thought, I think this is, this has also been good this past year, year and a half of being able to back up from stuff with beast skills and really try to hone in on my message that I want and hone in on what it’s going to look like. That’s hard. Yeah. Oh yeah. It’s definitely hard. I’m working on a site revamp right now. I haven’t, I haven’t redone the site in years and years and years it’s been, it’s been, you know, it’s a side project, you know, so cuz I’m putting a lot of effort or fitness, but doing a site revamp on that one and refocusing it and like, what do I really want it to be?

Jim (01:00:27):
And like what do I want it to grow as, because this is kind of swinging back to your, your conversation about like a journey. When I first started at 2005, again, couple years outta college, I wanna share some experience, you know, and I wanna share my training and I, you know, put out the information there and I put out the tutorials and just pushing out information and how to do like how to articles is good, but there’s, there’s the same information out there in a thousand different places. So you need, you need that underlying message. No, no, I think yours

Craig (01:00:59):
Just pretty unique, but sorry. Keep going. No, no.

Jim (01:01:02):
And I appreciate that, but like to really get something, to really stick with someone like they wanna be able to identify with the underlying message mm-hmm the underlying ethos. So I I’ve done a, I’ve done been doing a sort of, a lot of reflection over this past year of like, okay, yes, I do a handstand and I do this and that, but why am I doing this? What is like, so of my overall training again, ethos and like, how can I convey that? And then what does that mean for the site? What does that mean for like my messaging and what I offer and things like that from B skills. So a lot of that, it’s not just a matter of, oh, make the website look pretier it’s like, what does the website now convey? And I think that, especially the one trap that I was definitely fallen into, I’d say decade or so ago is I was giving the tutorials and again, great information, but I was making it almost too much about myself and I had run a site B skills. So I must always be able to do all these skills and I must be the best at these skills. Whereas I don’t want that to be you the case. Right. I don’t want it to be the case. Right.

Craig (01:02:05):
Yeah. You want your clients to

Jim (01:02:06):
Surpass you, right? Yeah. And, and I want to yeah, I, I wanna, I wanna be able to push a message rather than just the Jim show, you know, as it were, I don’t know if that’s a complete ramble, but I guess, I guess the thing is just really trying to crystallize the message and, and what is the website going to be able to do for other people as I relaunch it and as I revamp

Craig (01:02:24):
It, so I, I think that’s, I was gonna say, that’s the hard work. Like, you know, the hard work, the good work, everybody should do that work, but it’s also, you can’t do that work on day one. Right. You have to, you have to like, like I have a blog and it’s been going every day, over 10 years and there’s over 3000 posts. And like, sometimes I go back and look at the beginning posts and I’m like, oh my God. You know, like maybe I should delete that. No, it’s all, you know, leave it there for the, the sedimentary record. Yeah. And I, I think there’s no way that I could have imagined, I don’t know, actually we’ve stopped numbering the episodes, which is a whole different Diri we don’t even know what number this is. Yeah. But with something like a hundred and, and I’m like, I had no clue where this was going.

Craig (01:03:03):
Yeah. You know, and this there’s a hundred other episodes in other shows. And I had no idea where I was going with this. So I think you make a great point about like, it’s clear that it’s something I was gonna say you’re struggling with. I don’t mean it in a negative way, but you’re like really struggling with what, what, what should my site be? Like, what should, and how do I like me? I’m like, yeah. And how do I make a podcast that like brings people on a journey if they’re only on this episode? Yeah. Like not, oh, like you dive in. You’re like, what is going on here? I don’t understand. Correct. Maybe that’s the case, but like there’s a real difficult project that I think everybody eventually gets to about. Yeah. Here’s my journey. So yeah, there’s a scrapbook aspect to it, but also how do I help people like, oh, here’s cut the corner, like go from here. And like, you can save yourself eight years kind of thing. Yeah. And I really, I applaud your efforts to like, do that level of physician healed by self, like looking at your own work. Cause that’s really hard.

Jim (01:03:55):
Oh, it’s, it’s definitely tough. And, and realizing that you have to do that, realizing that you have to reflect and say, okay, okay. Yeah, what exactly am I trying to say? Like, yes, I would still love to put out, you know, tutorials and things like that, but you know, is my site going to be like, I’m not going to be necessarily pushing seminars cause I’m not doing seminars right now. I’m not necessarily going to be advertising online coaching cuz I’m not really pulling in, you know, new clients for online coaching. So what else can I kind of do, you know, on the site and what else can I kind of highlight on the site that will beneficial. (/highlight)

Craig (01:04:26):
You do? I’m wondering, do you do a lot of, or do you do any coaching of coaches or do you also,

Jim (01:04:32):
I was I was, as I was building up the nerd fitness coaching program, I’ve stepped away from that a bit so yeah, there definitely was coaching of coaches and yeah. Yeah. I mean maybe that could be something in the future as well

Craig (01:04:43):
Too. Yeah. I was wondering like, do you get the same amount of jazz from teaching somebody else how to teach for lack of a better

Jim (01:04:49):
Word? Yeah, absolutely. No, of course it’s a, it’s a different skill set to be able to teach that. And it’s obviously different things that you’re teaching them, but yeah. I mean it’s, it’s still very exciting to see you help a coach and then that coach can help a hundred P people or whatever, even more so like that’s really powerful. So yeah, it’s, it’s still very energizing to be able to help a, a coach like that. For sure. So


Beast Skills [59:36]

Chapter’s show notes…

Craig (01:05:11):
(Chapter) Yeah. Had millions and millions of questions. if I asked your wife what your superpower is, what would she say?

Jim (01:05:21):
She would say can I plead the fifth? No it’s okay. No, no, it’s fine. She would say remembering where she puts stuff around the house. so we, we, we joke. No, no, we, we joke about how and you’ve probably heard this maybe in a relationships and especially marriage, just long ones where it’s like each one, each person is like one half of a brain so yes, I I’m short term memory she’s long-term memory. So like, she’s like, I can’t remember where I left my keys, whatever, whatever. And I’m like, but your mom’s birthday’s coming up. Yes. Yeah, exactly. So, so I I’ll I’ll remember the short term stuff cuz like, as I’m walking around the house, like I’ll see the keys, like I don’t know, like in the microwave, in the freezer or like whatever with a random spot, she’s not that bad, but in some random spot and I’ll just make like a quick mental check, like okay, the keys are in some odd location. So then yeah. Catch 20 minutes later when she asks I’m like, oh yeah, your keys are wherever. Whereas yeah. She’s long term memory where it’s like, wait, what did we do last year? What happened? Like I feel planted. Are we on? I feel like my memento sometimes. So she’ll oh great movie. Yes. So she’ll so she’ll remember stuff like that so that I think she would say that’s my superpower and I’d say her superpower is remembering all the long term stuff. Yeah, for sure. That’s great

Craig (01:06:30):
Works well together. So yeah, we talk by the way that that movie reference of flew by is Memento. Emmy me great film. Not gonna tell anything about it because you need to watch it and go, what is going on here? Yeah.


Superpowers [1:05:12]

Chapter’s show notes…

Craig (01:06:43):
(Chapter) What you have any questions you wanna ask me? Sometimes it’s fun to just you seem pretty comfortable in front of a microphone, but some people are like a little gun shy on the other side and they don’t wanna ask me any. You probably would’ve asked if you had something you wanted to ask.

Jim (01:06:54):
So, so you got here 45 minutes early. Did that make you feel like more relaxed as you were?

Craig (01:06:59):
Oh no. I’m a, I’m a bleeping stress ball when I like people might be think, oh, I totally go. No, I like I, well, first of all, its a little weird. Cause I came from somebody’s house. Who’s the good friends of mine, but it’s basically, I had to sneak out of their house early in the morning and I’m like, Hey buddy, OAL can you program your coffee maker so that I can have coffee and not say goodbye, but I actually have a cup of coffee. So like I drove down here and then I parked and I’m just like, man, there’s not gonna be a bathroom. And then I’m like, go ahead. No I’m I’m like, yeah. And then like 10 minutes before I need to walk over here then I’m like, all right, well the chips are gonna fall. You know where they are.

Craig (01:07:29):
So at the last minute it’s like, I pull it outta my hat and I’m like, Hey, I’m calm. And I really calm. I’m not just faking it. But I, I know like I know what I’m not good at, which is like showing up late. I hate that when I show, when I show up late people show up late that’s okay. Yeah. But when I’m late, oh that bothers me cuz it’s like, you know, I only knew like two months in advance that I was supposed to be here at 9:00 AM. So it’s like, Craig really? You couldn’t get down time. So yeah. I tend to show up way early for things. I’m often I like often find the coffee shop or the sandwich shop or something and then I’m like an hour early and I’m hiding a block of way around the corner. So people don’t see me. So yeah, no, I tend to stress out about stuff.

Jim (01:08:04):
Have you heard of the comedian Mike Birbiglia? He, no hilarious guy. He’s got the one comedy special sleep walk with me and a bunch of other ones that escape my memory. But he talks about being like early and being late about how like, like it’s when you’re early, you can be early like five minutes or 50 minutes, you know? It’s totally fine. But when you’re late, like even a minute late, you’re late forever. So like always be early, like yeah, he he’s a real stickler on that. So he says it funnier cuz he is a comedian. Of course

Craig (01:08:30):
Maybe you could stand up. No I think for me, I, I, I often say 15 minutes early as on time on time is late. Yeah. And that’s, it’s great, but that’s also, it’s like a, that’s a, they call it a vicious task master. Like you can really grind yourself down on that. I gotta be early. So sometimes I really what’s the word when like, look at somebody like, boy, I wish I could do that. I idolize people who just kind of seem to like throw everything up in the air and then I’ll, oh, look it fall in the right order. Like it just comes together. So sometimes I really, I really appreciate people’s ability to do that. Maybe they are really stressing out inside and planning

Jim (01:09:04):
And I don’t see, they might not be stressing out, but they might be stressing everyone else out. So

Craig (01:09:07):
I guess, but I, I, for me, I definitely tend to over plan. I have like, you know, Google map list, no granted this particular dotted line of interviews is a complicated. I need to like, I, I have a rest area, little behind the scenes CLEs. Okay. I have a rest area on the interstate near Richmond picked out okay. Where I’m gonna pull over cuz I have a half hour call to do for something completely unrelated. And I’m like, I need to pull over and I need to be there like 40 minutes. Like it’s all planned out. Got it. But I do love, I, I, I like to plan and then there’s a block like, okay, there’s no structure here. So like all this planning to get to this event and then I have three days of oh no, no. Yeah. So I think if you can, if, if one, you know, if you’re, if you’re listening, I hope somebody’s listening.

Craig (01:09:48):
If you’re listening and you’re thinking like, oh my God, how do these guys get so much done? It’s like, yeah, it’s a crap. Ton of planning. Yeah. And also a lot of people who help us they’re expert people, you know? And it’s like, know when to ask for help and know when to be like, like I know things that I can’t do well, I’m like, I’m not going there. I’m not gonna try and edit my own audio or edit video. Yeah. And just not like pooing, like mad props that you can edit video. I can’t. Yeah. But just knowing which battles to pick and be like, absolutely. Is this one gonna pay off my money, but like, is this gonna help me? Or like, am I gonna on it? Just be like, no, just like do only do 12 things. Don’t try to be 14 Craig.

Jim (01:10:20):
No, absolutely. Yeah. You need to be able to outsource when, when needed. And I mean, even, even the stuff that I’ve been learning over the past six to eight months doing video production from soup to nuts, like scripting researching, you know shooting myself sometimes editing yeah. Then I’m like, okay, what can I have other coaches help with with what can I have some other coworkers help with? We are looking at, you know, other video editors and stuff like that. For sure. It’s definitely definitely important. So, so your superpower of course seems to be planning like cuz again it’s it’s good now. No, a question on that one though. So if your superpower is planning, how do you see that reflect in your own training? You know, exercise, nutrition, things like that.

Craig (01:10:57):
Oh, nice Question. I think not. I think I know for a fact, cuz I’ve done, first thing is I’ve done a ton of journaling and I keep notes and I keep track of stuff. So I do really well when I set, I’m gonna say medium turn, crazy planning. So like I have a chalkboard wall at home. Yeah. And it’s got a grin on it. And my do you ever hear Jersey or Jersey Gregorick is a, the line of Olympic weightlifting. Great. If you’re in the sound of my voice, go listen to Tim Ferris did an interview of a guy named Jersey, J E R Z E Y. Gregor, who is an Olympic weightlifter. Yeah. It’s got this little program called happy body, which is, is this super simple set of free weights? Anyway. I’m like, I feel better when I do some free weight exercises. Mm-Hmm and one of them is just a forward fold, like a dead lift, but with free weights, you know?

Craig (01:11:42):
Yeah. So it’s like a, they call that a deficit. Normally if you try to bend to a bar, you get like 10 inches or whatever, but like the free weights go lower. So just like little like just these little things and I’m like, I should do that. So it’s like, okay, chalkboard supposed to do H B D every other day. And it’s like mark down, do the thing. And it’s like, it’s super oriented. But I have to remember, there’s a point where I have to get off of that train because I drive myself bonkers trying to follow through on the details. So that to me is that to me, is the struggle like 30 days, 60 days, especially if there’s a goal, like I’m going to this event and I’d like to be able to do this, it’s like, oh I can just point plan it out and get up and do the thing and just take all the boxes. Yeah. But then I, I drive myself crazy. Like I just, eventually I explode, like I don’t wanna do this anymore. I hate doing the thing

Jim (01:12:22):
so, so, so you plan and you, it sounds like you plan, you set up your routine, but then you need to be able to have it a little bit more flexible than you are right now.

Craig (01:12:30):
Yeah. I need to like let an eject button.

Jim (01:12:32):
No, I understand. (quote) I hear that with, I hear that with clients a lot as well, too, where we will set up a plan of course. And okay. Our intention this week is to eat healthy, or do this workout, or do this training program, or whatever it might be. And it’s, it’s not a matter of if—it’s a matter of when something’s gonna go sideways. Like, the whole concept of like, oh, this was so unexpected. If you really think about it, it’s not unexpected. It’s not a matter of if and when; it’s, something’s gonna go crazy, you’re gonna get stressed, you know, flat tire, whatever it’s gonna be. It is, it is 100% going to happen, you know? At some point in a long enough timeline. So one, don’t be surprised that something happens and two, don’t be upset that something happens.

Jim (01:13:14):
And three, like we should have talked about it in the start. What’s what’s your backup plan, you know? (/quote) Okay. Your, your plan, you know, your first plan is to get an hour workout in, go to the gym, get an hour workout in, but you know, your baby’s crying and the work went over and cetera, et cetera. What’s, what’s your backup plan. Okay. Maybe it’s 10 pushups in your office, you know, whatever it might be like have that adaptability and don’t beat yourself up over it. I not, I’m not telling you directly, but I’m telling just people

Craig (01:13:36):
In general, but I beat myself up. I’m just like, you’re you’re spot on. Yeah. I love it. It turns into free

Jim (01:13:41):
Coaching. Yeah. no, but yeah, people do that all the time and that’s something that yeah. You have like, again, we don’t live in a laboratory. We’re not like, you know, athletes that are paid to do this for our training. Like you have to be able to adapt. And I

Craig (01:13:54):
Don’t know how, how those guys do it. Those guys and girls and whole, that is a home of like, when I see people like, oh, you wanna be like the movie 300, oh, you just do this. We just do this workout. And we I’m just like, whoa, like these people are all in for months on. And I’m like, that’s a job. And they got paid $2 million in, I’m not sure that it was worth it. Like, that’s that? I mean, those people are really, I mean, just I’m picking on that particular movie, but that’s a lot of work just to create that one hour and a half, two hour artifact, then yes. It’s an amazing movie. But those people, you know, are sacrificing chunks of their lives. So I think the world would be better. People spend a lot more time, like thinking about that up front. Like how long am am I really in for this? Like how do

Jim (01:14:31):
I like what’s yeah, yeah, yeah. Don’t just think about like, there’s obviously rewards to pushing hard and getting goals, but then you have to think about the flip side of like, what are you willing to push aside? Like how are you willing to change your priorities? Because it’s very easy to just kind of close your eyes daydream and go man. Oh, having abs are great. And, and being strong is great, this and that, but, but are you willing to give up, you know, drinks with your friends? Are you willing to, do you, do you have the focus and are you willing to put in the time to plan your meals to eat maybe stuff that’s a little, little more boring than normal? You know, so all those different things you need to learn at, you need to look at both sides of the coin as you kind of set things up and not to say that one, one thing is, you know, better.

Jim (01:15:11):
And the other, like it’s not to say that, like we all have to have the most Spartan diet ever, you know, you know, but it’s just a matter of being very clear on like where you stand as you step into it. So if I want to work out and get in shape and you know what, there’s some times where I’ll have to be a little more flexible with my routine. Totally fine. You know, like, and I’ll be okay with that. Whereas other people will say, you know what? Absolutely not. I perhaps I absolutely have to get in this workout in. I absolutely have to eat this certain way then that’s fine. That’s the decision they make as well too, but know that’s stepping into it. Yeah. And know, you know, set

Craig (01:15:42):
Expectations, mistake I make, as I’m like, well, just do that. I once I’ll tell this story, I think I’ve told this before I tried to do 10,000 repetitions of pullups body weight. Pullups I think called a Barta bar precision. So you stand like a bird on one bar, like an inch and a half bar. Oh wow. Okay. And then jump to another one and only counts if you stick it. Okay. To 10,000. Okay. 10,000 seconds cumulative and handstand and my brain. There’s something else. Oh, it’s 10,000 body weight squads. Okay. And I, I have a whole blog post, actually, a whole series of blog posts. Yeah. And I was, well, that’s only like, you know, my like, well, what happened was I read about somebody doing 30,000 pushups as a goal on their 30th birthday. They were gonna work on that for the year. I’m that’s a pretty cool then Craig’s like, well, I’m turning 40 soon.

Craig (01:16:24):
So if I try to I’m like maybe I’ll do 10,000. I just went, wait on this rabbit hole. Yeah. And I worked on it for nine months and I like gave myself like a rotator cuff problem learned to do pull ups. And I was like, it went off the bad. I mean, I got really good at doing part of our precisions at like six feet, like one to the other. That’s awesome. Yeah. Jump, turn around, jump back, turn around. Like, so on one hand setting up those like zooming out, setting up those structures works really well for me because I’m not the greatest morning person for activity. I’m really good at cerebral stuff in the morning. So it’s like, yeah, today I’m supposed to go for a run. I’m supposed to do some pull ups. Okay. Like just do the thing, you know, what did you do?

Craig (01:16:55):
Yeah. But I, I have never found the magic sauce of like, all right. At 79 days, I need a week off. Like I’ve never been able to plan like that medium term. Yeah. Like that multi-month term. And the only time I, I say time I’ve ever really been in shape almost in my life was I have a friend who is a, a mountain climber. Like, you know, I’m at the BL pack, like mountain climber and he was starting a coaching business for a while with a partner. And they were gonna coach people on how to like summit real mountains, outdoor. So this evolved, like teach them how to eat, teach them how to train. And then there’s periodicity to the training and like, there’s whole, I mean, you know, this guy,

Jim (01:17:30):
Oh yeah. My friends insane.

Craig (01:17:31):
Absolutely. And I was a Guinea pig, so I was like, okay. I was just like, okay, like, pretend we’re gonna go do this thing. So I had like do this training, do this running. And it was so nice. Yeah. To have somebody else tell me, you need to have 11 minutes in zone, two heart rate or whatever, and just like go at it. Oh,

Jim (01:17:47):
Absolutely. Yeah.

Craig (01:17:49):
For like eight months, I was like, okay, I’m done.

Jim (01:17:52):
No, but I mean, but that, but that’s what a coach is for like programming for yourself is hard. Always. Yeah. No, it’s hard. You, you there’s always blind spots that we have. You always, you know, talk yourself out of the stuff you need to work on. You always talk yourself into the stuff. That’s more fun. Yeah. So, so any I mean, obviously I’ve, I’ve programed for myself plenty of times, but there’s been plenty of other times where I’m like, you know what, either maybe I’ve hit a plateau or I don’t feel as excited about training or, you know, I’m not quite sure exactly how to go from a, to B where I will reach out to a coach as well too, or I’ll get a program. I’ll just, again, just even just following someone’s program, cuz that’s very easy to these days. That’s yeah. That’s something that you need to do to be able to have someone else’s plan and program to run through. It’s definitely important for sure. So

Craig (01:18:38):
Yeah. Yeah. Mm. I don’t know. I’m just watching the time. How are you feeling on energy level? I think the, the biggest challenge for me in these conversations is at what point I’m, I just having a conversation with Jim and I’m like right. Supposed to be creating a thing, which is valued, you know? And trying to walk the line of, I personally think I have been told by some people that they listen because they like the way I think like they’re interested in the, you know yeah. The stream of content, they had the same idea, you know, they were just thinking, well, I wonder about, and then Craig has like, well, so you, if they are in the same way of thinking, it’s great. Cause they can basically be here vicariously. But I also try to be mindful of like, can I find like real concrete takeaways and I think a lot what you just said there about being mindful of like, yeah. When do you pull the pin? And when do you plan in for that? That’s a great takeaway for people to keep in mind if they haven’t already thought of that.

Jim (01:19:31):
It’s, it’s tough for people to, again, sometimes they’re aware of it and sometimes they’re aware of when they need to shift gears or back off or whatever, but then also plenty of times, again, if you have a coach, like they’re the ones who can see that, you know, they’re like, Hey, you know what, your energy levels for the past week or two have been terrible, your, you know, numbers have dropped or whatever it might be. It might be time to relax or whatever, or might be time to look at other parts of your training. Like your sleep is terrible or your nutrition is maybe a little bit off. Let’s like just here and having that third party, having that outside view is, is super important. You know, sometimes for sure,

Craig (01:20:05):
It’s just a and yeah. Sleep plus one. I totally, that was like the first nut that I started like, oh, my sleep is a mess. That was the first thing that, that, and of course, if you live with someone, you kind of have to both sign up for the let’s improve our sleep team, you know? Oh, absolutely. Yeah. And that was like one of the first big things that I started working on was sleep. And that’s a whole nother topic.


Planning ahead [1:06:43]

Chapter’s show notes…

Craig (01:20:20):
(Chapter) I was just thinking, I suspect that there are a lot of people in like, especially the parkour and free running spaces who, who are like, I, I love this. Like, you know, they’re thinking, I love this thing and I want to try and make my living doing the thing. So the first thing that they do is they’re like, oh, I’m gonna start coaching.

Craig (01:20:38):
And if you’re in an area where, you know, you can go, you know, either to an established company or to a park or build gym or something and you can be like, Hey, I wanna learn to, and then they’d be like, like, okay, here’s, here’s how you take the coaching. So they can like lead you through the journey. But a lot of people are not anywhere near those kinds of spaces. Mm-Hmm and I, I’m just wondering if you have any takeaways cuz you kind of, I’m guessing it looks like you kind of became a coach on your own, like kind of figured out your own journey and then maybe like circle back to like clean up on things. (highlight) So what are some tips that you can give people who might be thinking I’m really good at something? Yeah. And I want to get into more coaching. Like how do you, how would you encourage them to follow that passion?

Jim (01:21:17):
Yeah. No great, great question. So yeah, you definitely can. So for me, for just personal training, just like straight up personal training, that was a matter of, you know, getting a certification, finding a gym to work at things like that. So that was, I think, fairly traditional in that regard with everything else with beast skills, it’s a matter of getting out there, connecting with people. And I don’t mean in like a sleazy network way, just be like, oh, there’s an event here or someone’s doing something here or just again, talking to people, reaching out to people and maybe asking them a question or two, if you’ve got a question, not hounding them with questions, but just getting information. Yeah. But being able to connect with people like that can really help. And then there’s a lot of lateral thinking like, yes like for personal training as an example, like you could be a personal trainer and then you could be a manager and then you could own a gym that could be a very sort of vertical line.

Jim (01:22:01):
Yeah. Yeah. That’s, that’s a line and for some people it’s great. For me it never was never was really kind of what I wanted to do. But you know, I, I noticed that it, you know, in terms of different ways to like laterally think over the years let’s see. I was a a Lululemon brand ambassador. So I actually taught like handstand classes and like barbell classes at like Lululemon facilities. Mm-Hmm and that was something that like my friend had talked about it and I had a couple other friends in the DC area that done it. So I’m like, this sounds great. I’ll be able to connect with people. I’ll be able to like hone what eventually became, you know, my, my seminars. So this is a good way to just kind of continue doing what I love and connect with people.

Jim (01:22:39):
So I did that. I coached at a high school. I started up, my buddy was a, a teacher there and he’s like, Hey, you know what, there’s a lot of my kids who you know, they wanna like be like, get stronger and whatnot, but we really don’t have any sort of facilities. This is at school without walls in DC. And it’s like, we really don’t have any sort of facilities to work out in any sort of like expertise, you know, would you wanna come in and like help out, you know, like once or twice a week? Sure. No problem. So we went in there, we were able to then secure, you know, bump like over the years, secure bumper plates, secure, you know rings to hang from like the rafters, right? All these different pieces of equipment. And I was getting these kids to do all these exercises.

Jim (01:23:15):
They loved, you know, they’re learning Olympic lifting and handstands and stuff like that. So that kind of taught me another skill set. So, and then I was also for a number of years helping and teach at elementary school in DC oyster Adams. And that was running kids through like little like playground recess sort of exercises. Oh, neat. When their playground was under renovation. So anyway, I, I guess my point is is just continue to look for those opportunities. You know, I think a lot of times people just get stuck on one line, whereas there’s so many other different ways to connect with people and to teach them like what you love and what, you know, and always kind of have your ear to the ground for those opportunities. And not to say you need to over commit, but something that makes you feel like, Ooh, I might be able to do this.

Jim (01:23:56):
Like, this is, feels like a little bit outside my comfort zone that, but that’s interesting. Yeah. But that’s yeah. But yeah, but exactly, but that’s interesting. Okay. I’m gonna do it. Like I knew I’d be able to coach high school kids or, you know, elementary school kids. Like it would be different from what I normally did, but I’m going to give this a go and step outside my comfort zone and you just need to continually look for those opportunities and they just build on, on top of each other. Maybe it’s something that you do for a short period and then put it away. Maybe it’s something that grows into seminars and, and whatever they need to do. So,

Craig (01:24:23):
Yeah. Thanks for sharing that. (/highlight) That’s those ask the question. I’m like, this question sucks and then I’m like, oh

Jim (01:24:28):
No, no, that’s fine. no, I, I can expand on anything. That’s fine.

Craig (01:24:30):
It’s a softball Love in court. Wow. Nice shot. Yeah.


Beginning coaching [1:20:21]

Chapter’s show notes…

Craig (01:24:34):
(Chapter) (highlight) Well I just wanna be mindful of your time. We’re caught up on an hour and a half. So I, I think as much as I hate to do it, I will just say, and of course the final question, mm-hmm, three words to describe your

Jim (01:24:43):
Practice. So you asked me this last, last year. Yeah. And I we’re gonna check. No, it’s okay. No, I can check the video. No, no, no, no. It’s a, I watched the video just as a refresher, just so I didn’t contradict myself too much. over the past year and a half, you are prepared. I would. No, it’s okay. I would say well, first of all, I watch the video and I watch my coworkers always laugh at me for this, but I watch everything at like two X speed, like two and a half X speed, like in terms of videos, because it’s so great to be able to go super fast through stuff. If I’m like watching a YouTube video or watching things like that. Anyway. But your question for three words, I think honestly, I think they are still the same, which was, might make my practice fun.

Jim (01:25:24):
I still wanna be able to enjoy what I’m doing. So if I ever feel like I’m not enjoying my training, I then step back and think, okay, I’m not having fun. Is that because I’m doing this training because it’s expected of me or that’s, that’s a big thing. I always kind of wrestle with. Like, I need to make sure that I’m having fun and doing it for my own reasons. The other, the ne the second word for my practice would be adaptability still, especially, I’d say over the past year and a half, everyone’s had to be very adaptable, adaptable, very adaptable to their training. And I still think that’s very important, whether, whether it’s a matter of, you know, environmental, you know, changes that you need to adapt to, or whether it’s just a matter of, Hey, you know what? I had an injury or a different interest, and I wanna change things around.

Jim (01:26:08):
So I think adaptability is still important. And then, yeah, sustainability, sustainability, the third word, which again, is a matter of, I love doing this. How do I continue keeping that energy up and how do I continue loving doing this? And anytime, you know, if you’re doing something and then you stop loving it, you’re like, okay, what do I need to do to step back and recharge? Like we talked about earlier, because it’s, it’s really and I’ve, I’ve been in those places myself before where I feel myself or I have gotten burnt out and I’m like, man, I should have, I should have taken a step back a little bit earlier and recharged a bit earlier so that I can keep things, you know, on a more sustainable pace. And yeah, those are the three words. So sweet. Yeah.

Craig (01:26:50):
Thank you so much. No problem. I always joke. I want just press stop when you finish talking, I’m just, we’re just

Jim (01:26:56):
Gonna smash all the equipment and done.

Craig (01:26:57):
No, no, please. Don’t smash. I got SIG more soon. Yeah. But yeah, no, I, I really appreciate your, your perspective taking the time to like do this again. Cause we did this once before. I think we got to a lot of different stuff, I think, than we did last time, but I purposely didn’t wanna watch the video because I always worry about like pre coloring what I’m gonna do. And now I’m like, well, I hope that was as good as I think it was, but yeah. Thanks for taking the time. Thanks for doing the hard work of like coming and finding the spot. Cuz I coming from hours and hours away. Really appreciate

Jim (01:27:26):
It. No problem. Yeah, absolutely. My pleasure. (/highlight)